this guy basically went and collected samples you can peruse them yourself
another thing worth looking at is just “atrocity propaganda”, that is, how the USA just says horrendous things about their enemies, smearing them with impunity and destroying their public standing before moving into sanctions, then invasion
the classic case is Nayirah Testimony
https://imgur.com/gallery/jYTvY1T<-relevant stuff
(wiki Nayirah Testimony)
other examples
https://imgur.com/gallery/BHb8LOV<-relevant stuff
here’s an interview with a CIA agent talking about how the whole goal is to bribe and cajole journalists into creating an image that communists eat babies
I don’t know how to post video, but if you tell me how I can
“We didn’t know of one single atrocity committed by the Cubans. It was pure raw false propaganda to create an illusion of communists eating babies for breakfast.”
For a more in depth view, check out this doc (also not compiled by me)
“Cash payments in return for interviews with North Korean refugees have been standard practice in the field for years…This practice also drives the demand for “saleable stories”: the more exclusive, shocking or emotional, the higher the fee.”
“But many refugees say they feel pressured for defector stories. Ahn Myung-chol, a former prison guard at Camp 22, said people liked shocking stories and these so-called “defector- activists” were merely responding to this desire. Chong Kwang-il, a former prisoner at Camp 15, said the fame brought by media exposure trapped them, forcing them to reproduce a certain narrative.”
I’m not saying we should dismiss people’s stories out of hand, but there is a large issue with people creating more shocking stories. due to both the profit incentive, and also for propaganda value
tldr; There's lots of terrorism in the region, much of which is likely supported by the US, in an effort to weaken China/manufacture consent against them. Rather than sending in troops, like the USSR did in Afghanistan, or the US did in the entire middle east, China is trying to de-radicalise them. The worst I can honestly say about them is that there's probably some corruption and institutional racism in them, as in all prisons, and they remind me a bit much of residential schools in Canada for my liking. Still definitely a more humane choice than bombing the place to the ground though.
The worst I can honestly say about them is that there’s probably some corruption and institutional racism in them, as in all prisons
I think it is pretty fucked up thing to downplay this. It's absurd to think just because China has many programs trying to help the Uighurs, and Uighur party members that nothing bad is happening. Australia, America, Canada, etc all have welfare programs, investigation bodies for Indigenous deaths, Australia has several Indigenous members of parliament, etc. It doesn't mean Indigenous genocide isn't happening in the countries. That being said, Adrian Zenz is a psyop
Yeah, there's plenty to criticise China on in its treatment of minorities, and on specific policies in countering the terrorist groups in Xingang. There's also certainly a nasty undercurrent of Han nationalism in places that's resulted from a number of well intentioned policies of the CCP to boost the population's investment in the Socialist project. And we all love our Deng struggle sessions don't we folks?
But "Concentration Camps" is a bit rich when Australia is leaving asylum seekers to rot and die in New Guinea, and the US is putting children in cages in 50 degree sunlight and picking people off the streets in unmarked vans.
we are mostly on the same page here, but you don't need to resort to whataboutism in comparing ethnic groups being forced into camps. Forced re-education camps is not something I support a government doing, even if I agree with the educational content.
yeh i generally dont really care about internal politics in countries that I don't live in. i'm just not too keen on apologia of injustices, which tends to happen in online spaces like this. in my political life i am resisting injustices from the australian government and capitalism, you're not really gonna catch me at an anti China march in Australia - that is a huge waste of time lol.
Disclaimer: I did not compile this list of sources/arguments. This was compiled by low_poly_space_shiba, who has since left this server.
the BBC made a documentary on the “concentration camps” that makes them seem like neat schools
https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/e284934a7aab
UN guy visited
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un/china-says-reached-broad-consensus-with-u-n-after-xinjiang-visit-idUSKCN1TH00T
pakistan guy visited
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/422970-pakistani-diplomat-narrates-visit-to-chinas-xinjiang
world bank investigated
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china
China invited EU and they said no
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-exclusive-idUSKCN1R10QQ
just like they said no to check in Venezuela
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-un-idUSKCN1GO2J0
American and British imperial pigs explain every aspect of the modern anti-China approach, both goals and methods:
Churchill, 1902: What? (https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-159/wsc-a-midnight-interview-1902/)
Kennan, 1948: Why? (https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1948v01p2/d4)
Brzezinski, 1998: How? (https://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview)
https://imgur.com/gallery/iclU9H4<-relevant quotes
in tweet form
https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1285603816172380160
One of the main voices claiming atrocities are happening in Xinjiang is Rushan Abbas.
https://medium.com/@RobertArlan/a-reddit-ama-claiming-to-be-a-uiyghur-quickly-exposes-a-cia-asset-slandering-china-1d667c098b77
She did a Reddit AMA and people found out she’s a complete State Department asset. She literally worked at Guantanamo Bay as a translator
https://imgur.com/gallery/Xo7cYyq<-relevant stuff
Then there’s the other guy, Adrian Zenz:
Adrian Zenz is the expert on Xinjiang Genocide.
He
works for Victims of Communism, the organization that added worldwide COVID tallies
he is a Rapturist, he thinks he was sent from God to fight the anti-christ embodied in China
he has already been caught lying
https://mobile.twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1259300068227760128
basically keep an eye out for the name “Adrian Zenz” he’s behind almost EVERY SINGLE uighur genocide story in the NYT/WaPo/Guardian
there’s also a massive “grassroots” campaign on social media
https://twitter.com/j_bigboote/status/1182726991675625472?s=08
this guy basically went and collected samples you can peruse them yourself
another thing worth looking at is just “atrocity propaganda”, that is, how the USA just says horrendous things about their enemies, smearing them with impunity and destroying their public standing before moving into sanctions, then invasion
the classic case is Nayirah Testimony
https://imgur.com/gallery/jYTvY1T<-relevant stuff
(wiki Nayirah Testimony)
other examples
https://imgur.com/gallery/BHb8LOV<-relevant stuff
here’s an interview with a CIA agent talking about how the whole goal is to bribe and cajole journalists into creating an image that communists eat babies
I don’t know how to post video, but if you tell me how I can
“We didn’t know of one single atrocity committed by the Cubans. It was pure raw false propaganda to create an illusion of communists eating babies for breakfast.”
For a more in depth view, check out this doc (also not compiled by me)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d0lynghlCnR6Hs57pypEEhlhHczFVgaYX-TIZD61s_w/edit#
I found this later on.
Not about China specifically, but this article from the Guardian(sorry for the lib source) talks about DPRK defectors lying about DPRK
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart
“Cash payments in return for interviews with North Korean refugees have been standard practice in the field for years…This practice also drives the demand for “saleable stories”: the more exclusive, shocking or emotional, the higher the fee.”
“But many refugees say they feel pressured for defector stories. Ahn Myung-chol, a former prison guard at Camp 22, said people liked shocking stories and these so-called “defector- activists” were merely responding to this desire. Chong Kwang-il, a former prisoner at Camp 15, said the fame brought by media exposure trapped them, forcing them to reproduce a certain narrative.”
I’m not saying we should dismiss people’s stories out of hand, but there is a large issue with people creating more shocking stories. due to both the profit incentive, and also for propaganda value
tldr; There's lots of terrorism in the region, much of which is likely supported by the US, in an effort to weaken China/manufacture consent against them. Rather than sending in troops, like the USSR did in Afghanistan, or the US did in the entire middle east, China is trying to de-radicalise them. The worst I can honestly say about them is that there's probably some corruption and institutional racism in them, as in all prisons, and they remind me a bit much of residential schools in Canada for my liking. Still definitely a more humane choice than bombing the place to the ground though.
I think it is pretty fucked up thing to downplay this. It's absurd to think just because China has many programs trying to help the Uighurs, and Uighur party members that nothing bad is happening. Australia, America, Canada, etc all have welfare programs, investigation bodies for Indigenous deaths, Australia has several Indigenous members of parliament, etc. It doesn't mean Indigenous genocide isn't happening in the countries. That being said, Adrian Zenz is a psyop
Yeah, there's plenty to criticise China on in its treatment of minorities, and on specific policies in countering the terrorist groups in Xingang. There's also certainly a nasty undercurrent of Han nationalism in places that's resulted from a number of well intentioned policies of the CCP to boost the population's investment in the Socialist project. And we all love our Deng struggle sessions don't we folks?
But "Concentration Camps" is a bit rich when Australia is leaving asylum seekers to rot and die in New Guinea, and the US is putting children in cages in 50 degree sunlight and picking people off the streets in unmarked vans.
we are mostly on the same page here, but you don't need to resort to whataboutism in comparing ethnic groups being forced into camps. Forced re-education camps is not something I support a government doing, even if I agree with the educational content.
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yeh i generally dont really care about internal politics in countries that I don't live in. i'm just not too keen on apologia of injustices, which tends to happen in online spaces like this. in my political life i am resisting injustices from the australian government and capitalism, you're not really gonna catch me at an anti China march in Australia - that is a huge waste of time lol.
I love that leftist infighting can get so heated and vitriolic while in the end we all kinda just agree but for different reasons.
what happened to low poly space shiba? i remember talking to him, he seemed nice
They left the discord because of drama. I haven't seen him here yet. but he said he'd probably join
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Same here tbh
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