This post was originally going to be titled "Why the FUCK would you be against looting", but I figured since I'm trying to talk to libs (if there's any on this site, jokes apart), maybe I should be a little more understanding. Anyway:

Disclaimer: I'm not encouraging anyone to do illegal shit, except in Minecraft of course. Do whatever you want with what you hopefully learn from this post.

Now, I get it you've probably been conditioned to think "stealing is bad", we all have. But, not exactly, actually.

"Stealing" in the mainstream meaning of the term, almost always defines either someone shoplifting from a supermarket, a burglar stealing shit from your house or someone on a motorbike snatching your purse in the streets. Let's take a look at the actors of each cases:

In the first one, the thief is an individual like you and I ; not a crazy rich person, and probably someone poor enough to risk their freedom in order to eat or make their kids happy (not trying to say you shouldn't feel upset if someone ever steals your shit. Shit sucks of course). In the second and third cases, it's, very often, a working class person stealing from another working class person (rich people are harder to reach ofc). In these cases as well, it is the idea of someone desperate enough to risk going to jail in order to make some bucks. I will talk about how the second and third cases are more condemnable than the first one even if more understanding later. For now let's focus on the semantics.

All of these examples refer to a case of active stealing: someone acts out of their way to acquire someone else's property. However in today's society, the most important, and most revolting cases of stealing are ones of passive stealing. (See my other post about physical and social violence to get a slightly better grasp on where I'm heading here).

When you work, you produce something, wether it be goods or services; and this something will then be bought for a sum of money; hence when you work, you produce value. And when you work an employed job, where you are entitled to a salary (which is close to 100% of what us folks do), you do not actually receive the fruits of your production as a salary. The money you receive is basically what your employer is ready to pay you so that you can survive to come to work another day. If you're in charge of more important stuff in the company you're working in, your wage will probably be higher, since your employer will want to have you on their side. But regardless, you NEVER get the fruits of your labor. Read Marx's Wage Labour and Capital if you're interested in learning more about what I just said). This right here is theft, wage theft: not only is your wage not related to what you produce, but it's not even equal to the value you've been producing. Here's an interesting video about the topic. It's a very educative piece that you should definitely watch wether you're already a leftist or not.

So, where does the rest of the value you've produced go? To your employer. And more precisely, to the shareholders, to the people who own the equipment, building, products and everything else you've used and has hosted you to produce value. Basically, the stuff used to produce is called capital, hence why capital owners are called capitalists; Elon Musk is a capitalist, Bill Gates is a capitalist, your neoliberal cousin who thinks people should die for corporate profit is not (and obviously Karl Marx was not a capitalist, Elon Musk doesn't know whay that word even means lol). Part of it is re-invested in the production (buying better machines, more cost efficient products), but most of it goes to shareholders' profit ; to sum up: most of the value you produce goes to someone else's pocket.

This theft, right here, is the reason some people such as Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates are as rich. Stealing the value you produce.

So to go back to the main point of this post, if you're pissed when some poor people steal shit in order to survive, you should be even more pissed when already rich people steal actual production value from people who work hard without doing anything except owning shit. Oh sure you might say "CEOs and business men actually work a lot!". Sure. Depends what you call working. If it's watching a stock exchange graph all day long, I'm pretty sure it's way less exhausting than what Amazon workers go through (and doing this doesn't actually produce any value anyway). Regardless, no amount of actual work can earn you a fucking billion dollars, let alone several.

Wage theft is not even the most blatant kind of theft by rich people. I.e fiscal fraud, billionaires refusing to pay taxes for the benefit of the community and rich people stealing from public funds.

So, why shouldn't you be against shoplifting or looting? Well, unlike stealing from another poor person, in this case, the only ones to potentially lose money are a bunch of already rich af shareholders, who got rich by stealing the value you produce when working.

Plus, the argument of "looting" is almost always used as a way to dismiss protesters demands and deny their legitimacy, but do not be fooled. Fox News and MSNBC (and even CNN lmao let's not kid ourselves) will always find a way to make protesters look bad, by either lying or focusing their news reports on one even of the protests, like the burning of a trash bin, instead of literally everything else. Why? Because they are not your allies. As people of the working class (and whether you want it or not), mainstream medias serve the interest of big corporations and of the Status Quo, thus, they are not comitted to serving your interests.

So fuck this. You should not feel like you got anything to prove to the people in suits you see on TV, to Trump, to Biden or anyone else who works in politics. You do not want their approval, because these people are not your allies. A bunch of people want to steal shit from Walmart? Let them. If Walmart decides to fire their employees after this, that's Walmart's fault. Walmart isn't firing the employees of one of their looted shops because they feel like these employees are responsible, they're doing this in order to make an example of these employees, and to make you feel like the protesters' and looters' action are wrong. Because, if at the end of the day, the only one hurt is Walmart's board of shareholders, people may actually stop caring about rich people's property being destroyed. Firing your staff after your shop has been looted is an act of class warfare. Be mad at Walmart, not at protesters or looters.

Okay, so this was long as fuck and went in too many different directions, but I hope I did get the point accross. Have a nice Monday and support the folks in Chicago's streets. If I forgot anything feel free to leave a comment scolding me.

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
    hexbear
    26
    4 years ago

    Whenever a lib or chud is critical of looting, just post the MLK Jr speech below, I've done it on reddit a few times. You will break their brains and get smoothbrains saying that he was wrong, or that you are somehow taking him out of context somehow, because all they know is the whitewashed version of MLK Jr and his history.

    Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest.

    The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights.

    There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal and in Detroit whites and Negroes looted in unity.

    A profound judgment of today's riots was expressed by Victor Hugo a century ago. He said, 'If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.'

    The policymakers of the white society have caused the darkness; they create discrimination; they structured slums; and they perpetuate unemployment, ignorance and poverty. It is incontestable and deplorable that Negroes have committed crimes; but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society. When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us also demand that the white man abide by law in the ghettos .

    Day-in and day-out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of law; and he violates laws on equal employment and education and the provisions for civic services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society; Negroes live in them but do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison.

    Let us say boldly that if the violations of law by the white man in the slums over the years were calculated and compared with the law-breaking of a few days of riots, the hardened criminal would be the white man. These are often difficult things to say but I have come to see more and more that it is necessary to utter the truth in order to deal with the great problems that we face in our society.

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
      hexbear
      6
      4 years ago

      Can you link the original? I want to compare and contrast it to the DeBord essay where he argues the Watts riots were revolutionary.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
        hexbear
        4
        4 years ago

        As far as I know that is the full part of the speech about rioting, if you want the entire speech here it is (I think) https://www.apa.org/monitor/features/king-challenge