Growth doesn't happen without labour. You actually need to be doing something to create growth, everyone on Reddit has this absurd idea that communities just grow all by themselves because that's how reddit is setup -- to feed population from the site into its various communities.
Reddit's admin team actually has to put in work to grow it and to continue to grow it through outside sources.
Growth doesn't come without labour. I am practically the only person actually doing any advertising. Everyone talks the talk about wanting to see the site grow but you actually need to put 5-10 minutes of effort in once a day somewhere else to create that. If a hundred of you did this once a day we'd be fucking steaming ahead, right now I'm responsible for anywhere between 10 and 30 new accounts per day, up to 50ish on a good one.
Go and actually do something to spread the site. Literally nothing happens unless you put the site in other places and hardly anyone is actually doing that.
Seriously just take 10 minutes out of your day once a day to plug the place somewhere. Do it every single day. Make it a routine.
In short, posting here can seem a lot like work. There's an expectation of work, or needing to read the right theory or perform the proper amount of self-crit and just a high level of needing to justify one's continued presence on the website to other users.
The audience for such things is a lot smaller than low-effort nonsense. That's fine; higher demand activities have necessarily smaller audiences.
That's a fair criticism for the retention side. I don't disagree that retention can be improved and that some element of user-fatigue due to over-expectations of their leftist credentials and self-improvement might be playing a role in that.
What you must understand however is that growth on a site like this is actually made up of 3 parts:
Acquisition - This is the part where we get users to come here from somewhere else, but before they have made an account.
Conversion - This is the part where the user is convinced to actually make an account.
Retention - This is the part where the user is convinced to continue using the site longer than 1 or 2 days after making their account.
These 3 parts come together to form the whole. I don't disagree with you that retention issues could be improved, but in terms of "growth" as it were my point was really about the Acquisition part. Chapo has almost no Acquisition going on.
Retention and Acquisition are coupled. Each person retained is a potential evangelist, and each person driven off is a potential gainsayer.
A bunch of goofballs from the original subreddit didn't mesh well here, for better or ill, and now they're easily found typical diaspora haunts, and when a potential proponent of this site talks it up, it gets criticized.
I've been monitoring redditsearch.io results for this website since it got launched, and typically, any positive mention is quickly met with a criticism, justified or not.
I agree that they're coupled but only in so much as for every 1000 users you might find 1 or 2 that perform more Acquisition regularly. Where do you see the criticisms? I might need to go hunting and collating that information into something useable and useful to look at and suggest changes. In every instance where I have done advertising for the site I've not seen it a single time other than chuds doing their whole "lol chapotards" shtick. Getting site critique when mentioning the site is not really my experience. Maybe once or twice in Discord but those people were literally repeating wrecker stuff and clearly had come into contact with wreckers spreading bs.
Previously I took things from here I knew were good, slapped watermarks on them and posted them on reddit. 5 minutes of effort and half of them would blow up.
These days I post stickied comments to /r/therightcantmeme threads that are hitting /r/all.
At any other opportunity I mention the place and proselytize shamelessly about how good it is and how important it is to build leftist-owned media independent of liberal ownership.
The point isn't really what you do though. It's that you do something. It doesn't matter whether it reaches 1 person or 1000 persons. What matters is the consistency in doing it. It all adds up over time and it all adds to the normalisation of the site as a force to pay attention to.
Growth doesn't happen without labour. You actually need to be doing something to create growth, everyone on Reddit has this absurd idea that communities just grow all by themselves because that's how reddit is setup -- to feed population from the site into its various communities.
Reddit's admin team actually has to put in work to grow it and to continue to grow it through outside sources.
Growth doesn't come without labour. I am practically the only person actually doing any advertising. Everyone talks the talk about wanting to see the site grow but you actually need to put 5-10 minutes of effort in once a day somewhere else to create that. If a hundred of you did this once a day we'd be fucking steaming ahead, right now I'm responsible for anywhere between 10 and 30 new accounts per day, up to 50ish on a good one.
Go and actually do something to spread the site. Literally nothing happens unless you put the site in other places and hardly anyone is actually doing that.
Seriously just take 10 minutes out of your day once a day to plug the place somewhere. Do it every single day. Make it a routine.
This is why we're not growing, but not for the reasons you think.
Do you want to expand on that or just sit in the peanut gallery claiming to have the answers while not being forthcoming with them?
You've done it again!
Very helpful.
In short, posting here can seem a lot like work. There's an expectation of work, or needing to read the right theory or perform the proper amount of self-crit and just a high level of needing to justify one's continued presence on the website to other users.
The audience for such things is a lot smaller than low-effort nonsense. That's fine; higher demand activities have necessarily smaller audiences.
That's a fair criticism for the retention side. I don't disagree that retention can be improved and that some element of user-fatigue due to over-expectations of their leftist credentials and self-improvement might be playing a role in that.
What you must understand however is that growth on a site like this is actually made up of 3 parts:
Acquisition - This is the part where we get users to come here from somewhere else, but before they have made an account.
Conversion - This is the part where the user is convinced to actually make an account.
Retention - This is the part where the user is convinced to continue using the site longer than 1 or 2 days after making their account.
These 3 parts come together to form the whole. I don't disagree with you that retention issues could be improved, but in terms of "growth" as it were my point was really about the Acquisition part. Chapo has almost no Acquisition going on.
Retention and Acquisition are coupled. Each person retained is a potential evangelist, and each person driven off is a potential gainsayer.
A bunch of goofballs from the original subreddit didn't mesh well here, for better or ill, and now they're easily found typical diaspora haunts, and when a potential proponent of this site talks it up, it gets criticized.
I've been monitoring redditsearch.io results for this website since it got launched, and typically, any positive mention is quickly met with a criticism, justified or not.
I agree that they're coupled but only in so much as for every 1000 users you might find 1 or 2 that perform more Acquisition regularly. Where do you see the criticisms? I might need to go hunting and collating that information into something useable and useful to look at and suggest changes. In every instance where I have done advertising for the site I've not seen it a single time other than chuds doing their whole "lol chapotards" shtick. Getting site critique when mentioning the site is not really my experience. Maybe once or twice in Discord but those people were literally repeating wrecker stuff and clearly had come into contact with wreckers spreading bs.
As always, my solution is the same; acknowledge the Chinese finger trap nature of the problem, open a few pints, and just try to have fun.
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What do you do to plug this place? DM people on leftist reddit subs? Drop links to here? Watermarked memes?
Previously I took things from here I knew were good, slapped watermarks on them and posted them on reddit. 5 minutes of effort and half of them would blow up.
These days I post stickied comments to /r/therightcantmeme threads that are hitting /r/all.
At any other opportunity I mention the place and proselytize shamelessly about how good it is and how important it is to build leftist-owned media independent of liberal ownership.
The point isn't really what you do though. It's that you do something. It doesn't matter whether it reaches 1 person or 1000 persons. What matters is the consistency in doing it. It all adds up over time and it all adds to the normalisation of the site as a force to pay attention to.